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Marc Perkel
I've also created a DNS based list of domains that provide consumer
dynamic IP address space. I'm using this list internally but thought I'd
make it public in case others can use it.

Trying to inspire innovation.

Example:

dig comcast.com.isphosts.junkemailfilter.com

This list was created by grabbing the registry barrier part of the
domain name of IPs from other DNS lists that list the IPs as dynamic.


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Marc Perkel wrote:

> I've also created a DNS based list of domains that provide consumer
> dynamic IP address space. I'm using this list internally but thought
> I'd make it public in case others can use it.
>
> Trying to inspire innovation.
>
> Example:
>
> dig comcast.com.isphosts.junkemailfilter.com
>
> This list was created by grabbing the registry barrier part of the
> domain name of IPs from other DNS lists that list the IPs as dynamic.
>
>

how about an rsync access? such lists do not change often, so rsync
seems a better "API".
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Marc Perkel


mouss wrote:
Marc Perkel wrote:
I've also created a DNS based list of domains that provide consumer dynamic IP address space. I'm using this list internally but thought I'd make it public in case others can use it.

Trying to inspire innovation.

Example:

dig comcast.com.isphosts.junkemailfilter.com

This list was created by grabbing the registry barrier part of the domain name of IPs from other DNS lists that list the IPs as dynamic.



how about an rsync access? such lists do not change often, so rsync seems a better "API".


Here's my list in dnsrbl format. I only do rsync so far to paid subscribers or people who I'm trading with.

:1:ISP $ See http://wiki.junkemailfilter.com/index.php/Spam_DNS_Lists

.002.ru
.012.net.il
.041net.co.yu
.0rbitel.net
.1000island.net
.111dateline.com
.1395the.com
.143000check.com
.1956partners.com
.1988last.com
.1scom.net
.1st-direct.com
.2008marsha.com
.211.ru
.217.in-addr.arpa
.295.ca
.2iij.net
.3.dk
.3baylor.com
.3dnet.co.yu
.3logic.net
.3menatwork.com
.3play.net.pl
.3s.pl
.3web.net
.4com.net.lb
.4enet.by
.4grc.com
.4servers.com
.4u.com.gh
.4wbi.net
.4web.pl
.520idc.net
.69.in-addr.arpa
.7about.com
.802.cz
.81.in-addr.arpa
.9-ka.ru
.9tel.net
.a1.net
.a5.com
.aa-boundless.com
.aaanet.ru
.aams.biz
.aandr.com.au
.ab.ru
.abac.net
.abccom.bc.ca
.abel.net.uk
.abi.org.uk
.abileneisd.org
.aboutpetee.com
.above.net.tw
.ac.ru
.academica.fi
.acanac.net
.accela.com
.accentrainc.com
.access.net
.accesscom.net
.accesscomm.ca
.accesshaiti.com
.accesshaiti.net
.accessus.net
.acedsl.com
.acelerate.net
.acens.net
.acessonet.com.br
.acheswin.com
.achinsk.net
.aci.on.ca
.acn.gr
.acn.waw.pl
.aconixhosting.com
.across.or.jp
.acsalaska.net
.acswifi.net
.act.psi.br
.actaccess.net
.actcom.co.il
.actcom.net
.actcom.net.il
.actis.net.ua
.actmind.com
.adachi.ne.jp
.adacor.net
.adam.com.au
.adam.es
.adamant.net
.adamant.ua
.adamo.es
.adams.net
.adamswells.com
.adatpark.hu
.adc.am
.adgtelecom.com.br
.adns.de
.ads-india.com
.adsl.hu
.adsl.no
.adslco.com
.adslink.cz
.adsllink.cz
.adslnation.com
.adslogistics.com
.adslplus.ch
.adslpremium.ch
.adslsurf.com
.advancedwas.com
.advantagelight.com
.advisorcable.com
.ae.net.sa
.aebn.com
.aegean.gr
.aei.ca
.aeneasdsl.com
.affinityconnect.org
.afnet.net
.againsttuesday.com
.agencyjenna.com
.agora-vita.com
.agrodesign.com.br
.aha.ru
.ahol.hu
.aic.net
.aichyna.com
.aiguebelle.ma
.aikis.or.jp
.aina.net
.ains.net.au
.air.co.jp
.airadvantage.net
.airadvantage.us
.airbites.bg
.airbites.od.ua
.airbites.pl
.airbites.ro
.airmail.net
.airpac.ab.ca
.airspeedinternet.net
.airstreamcomm.net
.airtel.net
.airware.ca
.aitai.ne.jp
.aitel.ro
.aivanet.lt
.ajato.com.br
.aji.lt
.ak-rozehnal.cz
.akademiki.lublin.pl
.akk.net.pl
.akn.ca
.aknet.it
.aksinet.net
.alamedanet.net
.alami.net
.alanbamarcos.com
.albacom.net
.albertarecycling.ca
.aldems.lv
.alertface.com
.alestra.net.mx
.alfa-com.ru
.alfanett.no
.alfanumeric.com.ni
.algx.net
.aliant.net
.alianzaviva.net
.alice-group.com
.alice.nl
.alicedsl.de
.alizone.ro
.alkar.net
.allegiance.tv
.allpointsacc.com
.allroadslogistics.com
.alltel.net
.alltele.net
.allwest.net
.aloha.net
.alpha-net.ne.jp
.alpha.pl
.alphacomm.net
.alphaweb.org.ua
.alshamil.net.ae
.alt.ru
.altazip.com
.altecnet.gr
.altecom.net
.alter.net
.alterlan.ru
.althoughnumber.com
.altohiway.com
.alwaysonline.net.au
.amaria.com.ar
.amarin.co.th
.amazonaws.com
.amc.com.ar
.americanabstracttitle.com
.amerion.net
.ameritech.net
.amigo.net
.amigo2.ne.jp
.amis.net
.amnet.net.au
.amplex.net
.amplitudenet.com.br
.amtelecom.net
.amtile.net
.amusedface.com
.an-net.ru
.analogengine.jp
.andclear.com
.andorpac.ad
.anet.com
.angela-ferrari.com
.anguillanet.com
.anlai.com
.anteldata.net.uy
.antunes.eu.org
.apana.org.au
.apex.dp.ua
.apk.net
.apol.com.tw
.aposolutions.com
.appliancefactoryparts.com
.applicablethe.com
.approachlove.net
.apus-net.pl
.aquaray.com
.ar.wroc.pl
.aracnet.com
.archigraph.ru
.arcor-ip.net
.aremetro.net
.arena.ne.jp
.areti.co.uk
.argeweb.nl
.argocom.cv.ua
.ariel-tv.com
.arielmis.net
.arkrehabpsc.com
.armentel.com
.arminco.com
.aroundrecognized.com
.arrakis.es
.arrownet.dk
.arsystel.com
.artcommunication.co.yu
.as15444.net
.as15758.net
.as1901.net
.as6911.net
.as9105.com
.asagaotv.ne.jp
.asahi-net.or.jp
.ascentn.cn
.asconet.ro
.asenovgrad.net
.asiabroadcast.tv
.asiainfo.kg
.asianet.co.th
.asint.jp
.asn.pl
.asnetwork.com.ar
.aspadmin.net
.asta-net.com.pl
.aster.com.do
.aster.net.pl
.aster.pl
.asternet.pl
.astound.net
.astra.net.uk
.astra2connect.com
.astral.lodz.pl
.astral.ro
.asvt.ru
.asyste.com.ar
.at-neteye.com
.ata.ru
.atcom.net.pl
.atev.hu
.atgi.net
.atginternet.com
.atknet.ru
.atlanet.it
.atlanticbb.net
.atlasinternet.net
.atnet.ru
.atomlink.ru
.atricom.ru
.att.net
.attalascom.net
.attikh.net
.atvci.net
.atwork.nl
.au-net.ne.jp
.audit-solution.com
.aueb.gr
.augustakom.net
.augustindianas.com
.australis.com.au
.autocom.pl
.avangard-dsl.ru
.avangarddsl.ru
.avans-nw.ru
.avansnw.ru
.avci.net
.aviso.ci
.avonet.cz
.avtlg.ru
.axesat.com
.axion.ca
.axtel.net
.azartsat.pl
.azerin.com
.azeronline.com
.aznetwork.net
.b26.cz
.b2b2c.ca
.b2bdsl.de
.b33r.net
.b3g-telecom.com
.b4net.lt
.ba-dsg.net
.bahnhof.se
.bait.pl
.bal.ru
.balakliya-rda.gov.ua
.balanz.com
.balchik.net
.balticom.lv
.baltnet.ru
.balttelecom.net
.banban.jp
.bankanswermail.com
.banknet.net
.barak-online.net
.barak.net.il
.barbaslaw.com
.barberlawfirm.com
.bardstown.com
.bargainscheapdeals.net
.bargainsdealssavings.net
.bargainsdiscountsdeals.net
.barrettxplore.com
.bas-net.by
.bashcell.com
.bashnet.ru
.batelco.com.bh
.battlenet.ru
.bayarea.net
.bb-p.net
.bb-west.ne.jp
.bbexcite.jp
.bbeyond.nl
.bbft.net
.bbiq.jp
.bbnet.com.au
.bbsc.net
.bbt.net.ar
.bbtec.net
.bbtel.com
.bdonline.com
.beamspeed.net
.beanfield.net
.beaumontlawrence.co.uk
.beautyfordummies.net
.becomesapathetic.com
.bejouchka.sk
.bel.tr
.belcenter.be
.bell.ca
.bellandrust.com
.bellevernonarea.net
.bellglobal.com
.belltel.ph
.belnet.net
.belohrad.net
.belpak.by
.beltav.hu
.belumi.sk
.bendbroadband.com
.bendcable.com
.benesol.be
.beobug.com
.beocity.net
.beotel.net
.berlikomm.net
.beshtau.ru
.bestmediatech.com
.bestweb.net
.betah.com
.bethere.co.uk
.bevcomm.net
.bezeqint.net
.bfree.on.ca
.bg.ac.yu
.bgcell.net
.bgwan.com
.bhntampa.com
.biatv.hu
.big.net.id
.bigair.net.au
.bigbargainsanddeals.net
.bigpipeinc.com
.bigpond.com
.bigpond.net.au
.bigrivertel.net
.bih.net.ba
.bikab.com
.birch.net
.bis.net.ua
.bishopgroupservices.com
.bisinter.net
.bisping.net
.bit-drive.ne.jp
.bit.net.au
.bit.nl
.bitel.net
.bitmailer.com
.bitnet.nu
.bitsyu.net
.biv.com.ve
.bivapr.net
.biveg.ru
.biysk.ru
.bizartelecom.ro
.bkf.at
.bkg-neuruppin.de
.bkkb.no
.bktv.se
.blanketedprogenitor.com
.bld.co.jp
.blic.net
.blixtvik.net
.blixtvik.se
.bloombroadband.com
.blue-cable.de
.blue4.cz
.bluecom.no
.blueline.mg
.bluemilenetworks.com
.blueone.net
.bluestarmiracle.com
.bluestarpay.com
.bluetelecomrms.ro
.bluetone.cz
.bluewin.ch
.blueyonder.co.uk
.bme.hu
.bmts.com
.bn.by
.bnet.at
.bnk.lt
.bnsi.net
.bntw.ro
.bol.net.in
.bombsbe.com
.bommtempo.inf.br
.bompastor.com.br
.borderlight.net
.bornet.net
.borovichi.ru
.bostream.se
.botosani.ro
.bottai.cl
.bottlecapbest.com
.bottlecapdeals.com
.bottlecapdirect.com
.bottlecapez.com
.bpg.co.id
.braggingmf.com
.brain.net.pk
.brainerd.net
.brainstorminternet.net
.bransoncvb.com
.brasiltelecom.net.br
.brc2.com
.brdomus.com
.brdterra.com.br
.breaking800.com
.bredband2.com
.bredbandsbolaget.se
.brednett.no
.brentplans.com
.brest.by
.brewet.pl
.bridgeband.net
.briefingmost.com
.briere.org
.bright.net
.brightohio.net
.brightview.com
.brisanet.com.br
.broadband.hu
.broadband.vi
.broadbandip.net
.broadbandscope.com
.broadreach.net
.broadviewnet.net
.broker.com.pl
.brown-walton.com
.brr.com.br
.brs.com.br
.brunet.bn
.brutele.be
.brygge.net
.brzesko.net.pl
.bs4b.net
.bscn.com
.bscom.ru
.btc-net.bg
.btcentralplus.com
.btconline.net
.btes.tv
.btk.net.pl
.btopenworld.com
.btv.lv
.btvm.ne.jp
.buhler.com
.burgasnet.com
.burlingtontelecom.net
.burnet.ru
.burtonandlee.com
.businessonlineemails.com
.businessonlineemails.net
.businesstel.hu
.butteam.com
.bvcom.net
.bway.net
.byte-city.ru
.c-line.ru
.c3-net.ne.jp
.cable.ca
.cable.net.co
.cablebg.net
.cablecom.ch
.cablelink.ro
.cablelynx.com
.cablemiracle.com
.cablemulti.com
.cablenet.com.ni
.cablenet.ne.jp
.cablenet.net.ar
.cableofficial.com
.cableonda.net
.cableonline.com.mx
.cablepremium.com
.cablerocket.net
.cablespeed.com
.cablesurf.de
.cablethink.com
.cabletoolset.com
.cabletv.on.ca
.cablevision.net.mx
.cablevision.qc.ca
.cablextremo.com.mx
.cacatholic.org
.cadrenet.net
.cafes.net
.cahi.net
.cais.net
.caiway.nl
.californialist.org
.call.inf.br
.callinginbox.com
.callplus.net.nz
.cambrium.nl
.camtel.net
.canadianserver.com
.canapen.com
.cancun.com.mx
.candeloro.com.br
.candidatego.com
.canl.nc
.cantv.net
.canvas.ne.jp
.carats.net
.carcionelaw.com
.carfa.ch
.caribe.net
.carlsbadnational.com
.carmelcrystalterrace.com
.carnet.hr
.carotennlaw.com
.carpe.net
.casema.nl
.casstel.net
.cathedral-center.org
.catnet.ne.jp
.catr.cz
.catv.net.pl
.catv296.ne.jp
.catvisp.net.tw
.caucasus.net
.cavertwire.com
.cavtel.net
.cbn.net.id
.cbnet.ru
.cbsig.com
.cbswireless.net
.cbvnol.com
.ccapcable.com
.cccexpress.com
.ccidt.com
.ccnet-ai.ne.jp
.ccnet.ne.jp
.ccnetmie.ne.jp
.ccnw.ne.jp
.ccsystem.cz
.cdanjoyner.com
.cdcare.org
.cdelsol.com.ar
.cds.net.uk
.ce.cn
.cebridge.net
.cegetel.net
.celeo.net
.celito.net
.cellnet.ro
.celox.de
.cenara.com
.centershift.com
.centertel.pl
.centraliains.com
.centrin.net.id
.centronet.eu
.centurytel.net
.cerfnet.com
.certto.com.br
.cfu.net
.cgconsultants.co.uk
.cgocable.ca
.cgocable.net
.championbroadband.com
.chapterup.com
.chariot.net.au
.charter.com
.chasmueller.com
.cheapnet.it
.chel-net.ru
.chel.su
.chelcom.ru
.chello.at
.chello.fr
.chello.nl
.chello.pl
.chello.sk
.chelmnet.pl
.chereda.net
.cherokeecad.net
.chibardun.net
.chilesat.net
.chiptron.co.kr
.chl.net
.choice.vi
.choicemorning.com
.choiceone.net
.chomiczowka.waw.pl
.chorus.net
.christianoth.com
.chuo.com
.ci-net.com
.cia.com
.cilas.net
.cims.jp
.cinergycom.net
.cis.rv.ua
.cisbg.com
.ciscom.ru
.cistron.nl
.citenet.net
.citiustele.com
.citizip.com
.citykom.de
.citylan.bg
.citynet.net
.cityofseaside.org
.citznet.com
.civilsend.com
.civilthe.com
.claimedhalf.com
.clara.net
.claranet.co.uk
.claranet.fr
.claranet.nl
.classicnet.net
.clear.net.nz
.clearrate.com
.clearwire-dns.net
.clearwiresaid.com
.cloud9.net
.cloughly.net
.clovernet.ne.jp
.club-internet.fr
.cmadc.com
.cmk.ru
.cmmeiers.com
.cmo.de
.cmpl.org
.cmstinfo.com
.cn.ru
.cna.ne.jp
.cnc.jp
.cnetco.com
.cnh.at
.cnow.pl
.cnt.ru
.co.ao
.co.mz
.co.ru
.coalfields.net
.coara.or.jp
.coastalnet.com
.coastalnow.net
.coastside.net
.codenewhost.com
.codest.ru
.codetel.net.do
.coditel.net
.cofs.net
.col-law.com
.col.ru
.colba.net
.coldecon.com
.coldecon.net.co
.colfarsfe.org.ar
.collegeaccording.com
.collegeenterprises.com
.colomsat.net.co
.coloselect.com
.colosseum.com
.colt.net
.coltel.ru
.coltfrance.com
.com1.com.au
.com2com.ru
.combell.com
.comcast.com
.comcastbusiness.net
.comcen.com.au
.comex.ru
.comfortface.com
.comforttoday.com
.comhem.se
.comindico.com.au
.commant.nl
.commspeed.net
.commverge.net.nz
.comnet.bg
.companytrail.com
.compertratores.com.br
.compi.net.pl
.completel.net
.comporium.net
.compro.cz
.compufront.com
.computercity.ru
.comsat.net.ar
.comsats.net.pk
.comstar.net.ua
.comunique.hu
.comunitel.net
.comwavz.com
.concentric.net
.concepts.nl
.concordia.psi.br
.connect.com.au
.connect.com.fj
.connect.net.au
.connection.ca
.connexus.net.au
.conservesource.com
.consiagnet.it
.consolidated.net
.consumernow.info
.contegix.com
.contentwebz.com
.conternet.ru
.conversent.net
.conxxus.net
.cooketech.net
.coopenet.com.ar
.coopmonte.com.ar
.coopsal.com.ar
.cooptel.qc.ca
.coopvgg.com.ar
.copaco.com.py
.copetel.net.ar
.coppernet.net
.coqui.net
.corbina.ru
.cordoba.gov.ar
.corenap.com
.coretel.net
.cornut.fr
.corpbeninc.com
.cortland.com
.cosmoline.gr
.cosmostv.jp
.cosmoweb.net
.cotas.com.bo
.cotelcam.net.ar
.countrymeadows.com
.couplingformal.com
.courageface.com
.covad.net
.cox.net
.coxfiber.net
.coxinet.net
.cpmfirst.com
.cptelecom.net
.cq-link.sr
.creasyst.fr
.creator.dp.ua
.creditagricole.ma
.creditwas.com
.crescentb.com
.crestauto.ro
.cri.co.yu
.crimea.com
.criminalthe.com
.cris.net
.cristorei.net.br
.crnagora.net
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.crocker.net
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.cros.net
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.crosswind.net
.crowley.pl
.crsanmartin.com.pe
.cruzio.com
.csc.lt
.csf.ne.jp
.cshore.com
.csk.pl
.csloxinfo.net
.csolutions.net
.csolve.net
.cspadsl.com
.csvoip.net
.ct.co.cr
.cta.net.cn
.ctanet.aw
.ctb.ne.jp
.ctbcnetsuper.com.br
.ctbctelecom.com.br
.ctcinet.com
.ctcis.net
.cte.net.br
.ctelco.net
.ctet.com.br
.ctinet.ru
.ctinets.com
.ctm.net
.cts.ne.jp
.ctscinc.com
.ctsimm.net
.ctt.ne.jp
.ctvea.net
.cty8.com
.cuba.k12.nm.us
.cuhk.edu.hk
.current.net
.cust.jp
.customer-net.de
.customer.ne.jp
.cuttersedge.com
.cvk.ne.jp
.cvs.net.au
.cvtv.net
.cwa.co.uk
.cwjamaica.com
.cy.net
.cybees.com
.cyberbunker.com
.cybercable.net.mx
.cybercity.dk
.cyberec.com
.cyberhome.ne.jp
.cyberia.net.lb
.cyberia.net.sa
.cyberlink.ch
.cybermesa.com
.cybernet.be
.cybernet.ch
.cyberopticrealms.com
.cybersmart.co.za
.cyberspace.com.br
.cybersurf.com
.cyberway.com.sg
.cyclone2g.com
.cyfra.net
.cypresscom.net
.cytanet.com.cy
.czerwionka.net
.d1-online.com
.dacarl.com.br
.dacsanet.com
.dag.pl
.dallasarboretum.org
.daltontel.net
.dalyforeign.com
.damagerouse.com
.dancingrising.com
.dars-ip.ru
.dartcom.co.uk
.dat.cz
.data-hotel.net
.data.net.uk
.datacenter.psi.br
.datacenter1.com.br
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Benny Pedersen

On Thu, May 29, 2008 20:52, Marc Perkel wrote:

> Here's my list in dnsrbl format. I only do rsync so far to paid
> subscribers or people who I'm trading with.

could you atleast stop posting html on maillist ?

the list is around 60k and the recieved email here is doubled to 129k ://


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Marc Perkel wrote:
> Here's my list in dnsrbl format. I only do rsync so far to paid
> subscribers or people who I'm trading with.
> <snip>
Dude.  Seriously.  The data is appreciated but next time please post it
on a website or something.  Your mail pissed off my smart phone!  It
might not be the best device out there but it normally works for me.

I'm more disgruntled about the frozen device than the email itself so
feel free to wallop me with a frozen trout or whatever.
--Blaine

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mouss-2
Blaine Fleming wrote:
> Marc Perkel wrote:
>> Here's my list in dnsrbl format. I only do rsync so far to paid
>> subscribers or people who I'm trading with.
>> <snip>
> Dude.  Seriously.  The data is appreciated but next time please post
> it on a website or something.  Your mail pissed off my smart phone!  
> It might not be the best device out there but it normally works for me.

are you using an old imode phone :) The message was about 125Ko. That's
less than a small photo (I say this because that's what a "smartphone"
is for, no?).
>
> I'm more disgruntled about the frozen device than the email itself so
> feel free to wallop me with a frozen trout or whatever.
> --Blaine
>

hope this mail is ok :)
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Ken A
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Marc Perkel wrote:

> I've also created a DNS based list of domains that provide consumer
> dynamic IP address space. I'm using this list internally but thought I'd
> make it public in case others can use it.
>
> Trying to inspire innovation.
>
> Example:
>
> dig comcast.com.isphosts.junkemailfilter.com
>
> This list was created by grabbing the registry barrier part of the
> domain name of IPs from other DNS lists that list the IPs as dynamic.
>
>

NJABL & PBL already provide this, AND they are already part of
SpamAssassin AND they work quite well.
So, while you are 'trying to inspire innovation', you should take note
of this potential problem:
http://www.rhyolite.com/anti-spam/you-might-be.html

Ken

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Marc Perkel


Ken A wrote:

> Marc Perkel wrote:
>> I've also created a DNS based list of domains that provide consumer
>> dynamic IP address space. I'm using this list internally but thought
>> I'd make it public in case others can use it.
>>
>> Trying to inspire innovation.
>>
>> Example:
>>
>> dig comcast.com.isphosts.junkemailfilter.com
>>
>> This list was created by grabbing the registry barrier part of the
>> domain name of IPs from other DNS lists that list the IPs as dynamic.
>>
>>
>
> NJABL & PBL already provide this, AND they are already part of
> SpamAssassin AND they work quite well.
> So, while you are 'trying to inspire innovation', you should take note
> of this potential problem:
> http://www.rhyolite.com/anti-spam/you-might-be.html
>
> Ken
>

They have name based lists? Show me where.

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John Hardin
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On Thu, 29 May 2008, Ken A wrote:

> http://www.rhyolite.com/anti-spam/you-might-be.html

So how is a proponent of the "Hunt down and kill spammers very messily"
FUSSP classified?

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mouss wrote:
> are you using an old imode phone :) The message was about 125Ko.
> That's less than a small photo (I say this because that's what a
> "smartphone" is for, no?).
>
Samsung SCH-i760 on Verizon that takes forever to download mail so when
something longer than about 4k comes in it takes a while.  Doesn't
really freeze the phone but it doesn't exactly respond well either.  It
works...mostly.

> hope this mail is ok :)
Not a problem!

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Blaine Fleming
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John Hardin wrote:
> So how is a proponent of the "Hunt down and kill spammers very
> messily" FUSSP classified?

In the US, they would be classified as a felon.

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John Hardin
On Thu, 29 May 2008, Blaine Fleming wrote:

> John Hardin wrote:
>>  So how is a proponent of the "Hunt down and kill spammers very
>>  messily" FUSSP classified?
>
> In the US, they would be classified as a felon.

Nah, I think that one falls under "praiseworthy".

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Matus UHLAR - fantomas
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> >Marc Perkel wrote:
> >>I've also created a DNS based list of domains that provide consumer
> >>dynamic IP address space. I'm using this list internally but thought
> >>I'd make it public in case others can use it.
> >>
> >>Trying to inspire innovation.
> >>
> >>Example:
> >>
> >>dig comcast.com.isphosts.junkemailfilter.com
> >>
> >>This list was created by grabbing the registry barrier part of the
> >>domain name of IPs from other DNS lists that list the IPs as dynamic.

> Ken A wrote:
> >NJABL & PBL already provide this, AND they are already part of
> >SpamAssassin AND they work quite well.
> >So, while you are 'trying to inspire innovation', you should take note
> >of this potential problem:
> >http://www.rhyolite.com/anti-spam/you-might-be.html

On 29.05.08 14:49, Marc Perkel wrote:
> They have name based lists? Show me where.

why should anyone need name-based lists?

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Ken A
In reply to this post by John Hardin
John Hardin wrote:
> On Thu, 29 May 2008, Ken A wrote:
>
>> http://www.rhyolite.com/anti-spam/you-might-be.html
>
> So how is a proponent of the "Hunt down and kill spammers very messily"
> FUSSP classified?
>

I'm suggesting that some homework should be done before creating a list
of this or that and then promoting it as something that it's NOT on the
SA users list.

A list of dynamic IP addresses is already available in the
correct/usable form. There's no need for a 'name based' version.

Marc said "This list was created by grabbing the registry barrier part
of the domain name of IPs from other DNS lists that list the IPs as
dynamic."

That would seem to translate to doing a reverse lookup or whois on PBL
or NJABL IPs. That's fine, but then he claims that his list is a "list
of domains that provide consumer dynamic IP address space".

But it's not. It may give you IP address ownership information if your
list is created using whois, but it doesn't tell you what ISP (domain)
assigned the address to the customer. If you are depending on reverse
lookups, then the info is more suspect, since ISPs are not very good at
keeping in-addr.arpa zones up to date. Also, many larger network
operators and ISPs trade/lease/rent consumer IP address space to other
ISPs very frequently. These addresses roam around to various ISPs. There
is no 1-to-1 mapping.

Ken



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Marc Perkel
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Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote:
Marc Perkel wrote:
      
I've also created a DNS based list of domains that provide consumer 
dynamic IP address space. I'm using this list internally but thought 
I'd make it public in case others can use it.

Trying to inspire innovation.

Example:

dig comcast.com.isphosts.junkemailfilter.com

This list was created by grabbing the registry barrier part of the 
domain name of IPs from other DNS lists that list the IPs as dynamic.
        

  
Ken A wrote:
    
NJABL & PBL already provide this, AND they are already part of 
SpamAssassin AND they work quite well.
So, while you are 'trying to inspire innovation', you should take note 
of this potential problem:
http://www.rhyolite.com/anti-spam/you-might-be.html
      

On 29.05.08 14:49, Marc Perkel wrote:
  
They have name based lists? Show me where.
    

why should anyone need name-based lists?

  

Name based DNS lists are more reliable because IP addresses can change. The name based list covers all IP addresses where the FCrDNS resolves to that name.

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Ken A
Marc Perkel wrote:

>
>
> Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote:
>>>> Marc Perkel wrote:
>>>>      
>>>>> I've also created a DNS based list of domains that provide consumer
>>>>> dynamic IP address space. I'm using this list internally but
>>>>> thought I'd make it public in case others can use it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Trying to inspire innovation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Example:
>>>>>
>>>>> dig comcast.com.isphosts.junkemailfilter.com
>>>>>
>>>>> This list was created by grabbing the registry barrier part of the
>>>>> domain name of IPs from other DNS lists that list the IPs as dynamic.
>>>>>        
>>
>>  
>>> Ken A wrote:
>>>    
>>>> NJABL & PBL already provide this, AND they are already part of
>>>> SpamAssassin AND they work quite well.
>>>> So, while you are 'trying to inspire innovation', you should take
>>>> note of this potential problem:
>>>> http://www.rhyolite.com/anti-spam/you-might-be.html
>>>>      
>>
>> On 29.05.08 14:49, Marc Perkel wrote:
>>  
>>> They have name based lists? Show me where.
>>>    
>>
>> why should anyone need name-based lists?
>>
>>  
>
> Name based DNS lists are more reliable because IP addresses can change.

Obviously dynamic IPs and names change. Thats all built into DHCP (lease
time) and DNS (TTLs). So, please elaborate on your thinking here.

> The name based list covers all IP addresses where the FCrDNS resolves to
> that name.

Okay, so only domains that have dns setup correctly get into the list?
That leaves out huge chunks of the world. How is this more reliable? It
is probably a small subset of dynamic address space.

The botnet plugin does a good job of making use of broken & dnynamic DNS
names in SA. PBL and NJABL do a good job of identifying IP address space
that is dynamic. What can this method do better or is it supposed to do
something else?

Ken


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RE: DNS ISP Host List Available

Larry Ludwig-4
In reply to this post by Marc Perkel
IMHO regex setups are even more reliable we do this with our postfix setup.
 
For example:
/^c-.+-.+-.+-.+\..+\..+\.comcast\.net$/                         REJECT dynamic ip address use isp for outgoing email - access.regex
I think is more reliable than just by name or especially by IP since IP allocations do change.

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From: Marc Perkel [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 12:04 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: DNS ISP Host List Available



Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote:
Marc Perkel wrote:
      
I've also created a DNS based list of domains that provide consumer 
dynamic IP address space. I'm using this list internally but thought 
I'd make it public in case others can use it.

Trying to inspire innovation.

Example:

dig comcast.com.isphosts.junkemailfilter.com

This list was created by grabbing the registry barrier part of the 
domain name of IPs from other DNS lists that list the IPs as dynamic.
        

  
Ken A wrote:
    
NJABL & PBL already provide this, AND they are already part of 
SpamAssassin AND they work quite well.
So, while you are 'trying to inspire innovation', you should take note 
of this potential problem:
http://www.rhyolite.com/anti-spam/you-might-be.html
      

On 29.05.08 14:49, Marc Perkel wrote:
  
They have name based lists? Show me where.
    

why should anyone need name-based lists?

  

Name based DNS lists are more reliable because IP addresses can change. The name based list covers all IP addresses where the FCrDNS resolves to that name.

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Henrik K
In reply to this post by Marc Perkel
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 11:25:19AM -0700, Marc Perkel wrote:

> I've also created a DNS based list of domains that provide consumer  
> dynamic IP address space. I'm using this list internally but thought I'd  
> make it public in case others can use it.
>
> Trying to inspire innovation.
>
> Example:
>
> dig comcast.com.isphosts.junkemailfilter.com
>
> This list was created by grabbing the registry barrier part of the  
> domain name of IPs from other DNS lists that list the IPs as dynamic.

How is one supposed to use this list? You posted a _very_ general list that
will match all the ISPs legimate outgoing MX servers too. So it's must not
be for blocking or even positive scoring.

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Marc Perkel


Henrik K wrote:
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 11:25:19AM -0700, Marc Perkel wrote:
  
I've also created a DNS based list of domains that provide consumer  
dynamic IP address space. I'm using this list internally but thought I'd  
make it public in case others can use it.

Trying to inspire innovation.

Example:

dig comcast.com.isphosts.junkemailfilter.com

This list was created by grabbing the registry barrier part of the  
domain name of IPs from other DNS lists that list the IPs as dynamic.
    

How is one supposed to use this list? You posted a _very_ general list that
will match all the ISPs legimate outgoing MX servers too. So it's must not
be for blocking or even positive scoring.

  

As I said. I'm trying to inspire innovation. For example, if you have an URIBL list and subtract out the ISP hosts then you woud have a name based blacklist. That's one of the ways I'm using it. It is not a blacklist. I'm making it available for anyone who might find it useful but you will have to figure it out for yourself. I am just providing the information.

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Henrik K
On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 07:38:19AM -0700, Marc Perkel wrote:

>
>
> Henrik K wrote:
>> On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 11:25:19AM -0700, Marc Perkel wrote:
>>  
>>> I've also created a DNS based list of domains that provide consumer  
>>> dynamic IP address space. I'm using this list internally but thought
>>> I'd  make it public in case others can use it.
>>>
>>> Trying to inspire innovation.
>>>
>>> Example:
>>>
>>> dig comcast.com.isphosts.junkemailfilter.com
>>>
>>> This list was created by grabbing the registry barrier part of the  
>>> domain name of IPs from other DNS lists that list the IPs as dynamic.
>>>    
>>
>> How is one supposed to use this list? You posted a _very_ general list that
>> will match all the ISPs legimate outgoing MX servers too. So it's must not
>> be for blocking or even positive scoring.
>>
>>  
>
> As I said. I'm trying to inspire innovation. For example, if you have an  
> URIBL list and subtract out the ISP hosts then you woud have a name  
> based blacklist. That's one of the ways I'm using it. It is not a  
> blacklist. I'm making it available for anyone who might find it useful  
> but you will have to figure it out for yourself. I am just providing the  
> information.

Ok, you should have been clear on that from the beginning to reduce list
noise. :)

I can't think of any use for DNS list though, you should provide a
downloadable list if you want it to be free.

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